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Hardshell Case for Headless Guitars

Postby DWG » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:49 pm

Hey Guys,

Just wanted to share a happy hard-shell case experience with you.

While I have been very pleased with the Kiesel Ultimate Soft cases, I'm planning a special Kiesel Edition build. I want to have my "dream guitar" in a hard case. So, I've been searching around for cases that will fit the Vader dimensions. I found a seller on eBay who was advertising cases made to fit the Steinberger GM body style.

The cases are advertised on eBay at $129 with $39 shipping. They will entertain "best offers" so I was able to get myself a 15% discount.

Here are a couple pictures. The vader fit is perfect. I took a picture with the my holdsworth, for my HH friends. It's a bit large for the HH. You might want to add an inch of padding on either side towards the bottom to make it snug and perhaps a small blocker so it can't slide forward at all. It's probably fine as long as you are not swinging the case around.
I think the quality is very good for the money.

The case has a nice storage compartment and comes with a Hygrometer.

If you think this might be for you, have a look: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bestparts-STEI ... Sws4JW7-1U

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Re: Hardshell Case for Headless Guitars

Postby Greg Emm » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:54 pm

VERY cool. Thank you for sharing this information. It's nice to know these cases are available. They look great. Thanks again.

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Re: Hardshell Case for Headless Guitars

Postby coats.alex » Sat May 19, 2018 6:28 pm

Dang now the seller is asking $299 plus shipping. Hoping the ultimate soft case is good enough once my vader shows up!

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Postby UnexplodedCow » Mon May 21, 2018 5:40 am

The soft cases are pretty good. The foam filling is a closed-cell urethane foam. Basically, it's the same type used in shipping PC parts, or where a custom cut fit is needed. Easily replaced if need be.

I've had mine for 3 years now, no issues. That foam is pretty stable, and doesn't crush up like the typical egg-crate stuff. I think they did it right, and it's about as good as a soft case can get.

If this case were $129, I'd still probably jump on it, as I still like a good hardshell even more. At $300, they can go take a walk.
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Re: Hardshell Case for Headless Guitars

Postby ZooHead » Wed May 23, 2018 6:25 am

I placed a best offer of two hundred and they refused.

They are the only ones making these, I can't find anyone else, so they may think we have no choice.

That kind of thinking only motivates people to find an alternative.

I'm tempted to try a DYI on a regular hard case. Remove the interior, cut out a section of the case
and use the pieces to splice it back together. Then cut down the interior and reinstall.

What regular hard case fits the V6?

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Postby UnexplodedCow » Wed May 23, 2018 6:59 am

ZooHead wrote:I placed a best offer of two hundred and they refused.

They are the only ones making these, I can't find anyone else, so they may think we have no choice.

That kind of thinking only motivates people to find an alternative.

I'm tempted to try a DYI on a regular hard case. Remove the interior, cut out a section of the case
and use the pieces to splice it back together. Then cut down the interior and reinstall.

What regular hard case fits the V6?


Nothing that I'm aware of. They're not as wide as a regular size guitar, and definitely not as long. Even the bodies aren't as thick as a typical Strat (more like an affinity Squier).

It's easy enough to frame out a box. Rounding corners is the trickier part; either steam is needed to bend the plywood (and risk the plies coming apart), or using a larger edge block when joining the pieces together, and using a roundover bit on a router.

Next step is finding a padding material, and I'd still suggest the closed cell urethane foam. It holds up well. Conversely, a thick yoga mat would also be excellent, and is in the same family. Spray on some glue and lay down the fabric on top of the foam, staple in key places, then do the same with tolex on the outside. Add hinges, latches, and a handle...you're done.

It'd be a weekend project for me to design/build a case like this. I have the tools (except a stupidly large roundover bit), but is giving me ideas. Materials cost won't be terrible, not for 1/4" plywood, some pine pieces, and glue. The real cost would be tolex, latches, hinges, and handle, unless you went for super cheap.
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Re: Hardshell Case for Headless Guitars

Postby ZooHead » Wed May 23, 2018 9:11 am

I've seen some made from 1/4" ply on the web, finished with decopage and aluminum corners.
It came out much to heavy in the end. I think you gotta go lighter,
1/8 ply with inside corner molding to strengthen the joints maybe.
Then there's no way to round over I guess.

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Re: Hardshell Case for Headless Guitars

Postby ZooHead » Wed May 23, 2018 9:49 am

What are the measurements of the V6?

Thanks in advance, there must be an alternative but I gotta have the
dimensions to research, and I can't wait another 10 weeks for mine to arrive.

Never Mind I got them, 31.5 x 12 x 1.66

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Postby alasdair » Thu May 24, 2018 3:52 am

Hi

You could always use a custom case maker. We have Pegasus in the UK and they are good, the owner used to come into my guitar workshop years ago when I used to do that work.

http://www.pegasus-cases.com/

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Re: Hardshell Case for Headless Guitars

Postby ZooHead » Thu May 24, 2018 4:19 am

alasdair wrote:Hi

You could always use a custom case maker. We have Pegasus in the UK and they are good, the owner used to come into my guitar workshop years ago when I used to do that work.

http://www.pegasus-cases.com/

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Nice looking cases, thanks for the link, I was considering checking with a local boat builder who does fiberglass.
But this may be a better place to start, since I don't like the smell of fiberglass.

What was the name of your shop?

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Postby alasdair » Thu May 24, 2018 4:45 am

It was a good couple of decades ago so I doubt he would remember me but it was Guitar Ecosse.

Best of luck a good fitting case is important. the first electric I bought was a 1983 Ibanez and they gave me a generic Fender style case with it and pretty sure the flapping around it used to do in there was not great for the neck or the frets in the bit where the case pressure pad on the fingerboard was supposed to hold it in place. It was a good sleeping box for the cat though :)

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Re: Hardshell Case for Headless Guitars

Postby ZooHead » Thu May 24, 2018 5:21 am

In those days we always got a hard case with a new guitar. The first sign of change came when I bought a new Parker Fly and got my first soft case. I couldn't believe how nice the soft case was, but I was still disappointed.

May be some good news, I just found this
Headless Case USA.jpg


Will this fit a V6 if it fits a Steinberger?
Headless Case USA
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Re: Hardshell Case for Headless Guitars

Postby ZooHead » Thu May 24, 2018 10:24 am

Ordered another GIS last night, so I have no money for cases right now.

But I hope this goes someplace, I will want a couple of them eventually.

Case makers need to understand that there's a lot more headless,
8 string and multi scale guitars out there than ever.
And with so many guitars coming without hard cases, they might be struggling.
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Re: Hardshell Case for Headless Guitars

Postby ZooHead » Thu May 24, 2018 6:56 pm

Here's a rough animation I made showing how one might make a Guitar case from veneer.
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Re: Hardshell Case for Headless Guitars

Postby ZooHead » Fri May 25, 2018 3:36 pm

Step two, trim the sides:
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Re: Hardshell Case for Headless Guitars

Postby ZooHead » Sat May 26, 2018 6:28 am

The system can't seem to handle the gifs I'm making for some reason.

Maybe the server software is having a problem with something.

I post on the Cheetah 3D forum all the time no problem.
I think their servers are in Germany someplace.

I'll have to make a YouTube vid instead so for now still pics will have to do :(

Here's the design so far:
Case Design.jpg

Designing is like dreaming. First I start thinking of everything I could possibly
want to have incorporated in the design, then scale back to what's practical.

What would you want in a case?

I always wondered why the storage space is so small, so more storage is a no brainer.
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Re: Hardshell Case for Headless Guitars

Postby ZooHead » Sat May 26, 2018 9:06 am

This one is properly resized.
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Re: Hardshell Case for Headless Guitars

Postby ZooHead » Sun May 27, 2018 6:56 am

Refined a bit more, slightly thinner.
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Re: Hardshell Case for Headless Guitars

Postby ZooHead » Sun May 27, 2018 4:30 pm

Here's it is with the top on.
Much more round than a standard case... I like it.

Had a great Idea for a finish other than tolex, LineX!
They say they can LineX anything, it's available
in colors, and it also ends with an ex.
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Re: Hardshell Case for Headless Guitars

Postby spudmunkey » Sun May 27, 2018 8:45 pm

It could be really cool...but also i think it would also be much heavier. I think.


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