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Problem with the floating bridge on a Headless

Postby ItAllanLover » Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:42 am

Hi everyone,

when I use the bridge it doesn't stay perfectly in tune, I've noticed that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At5ECDns-MA


I believe it's the main problem, how do I fix that?

P.s.: I've already used oil everywhere, changed strings, etc,

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Re: Problem with the floating bridge on a Headless

Postby codylagrone » Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:14 pm

I've got tuning issues as well. My guitar is going back to the factory for the 2nd time now. Did you ever find a solution?

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Re: Problem with the floating bridge on a Headless

Postby HarlowTheFish » Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:38 pm

The tuner shift just happens with the Hipshot design. If you let the string tension pull it into the position the post wants to be in and don't smack it or push it hard depth-wise (toward the top or back) it's harmless. It's because of the way they mount the tuner on the main bridge assembly. the Strandberg EGS hardware for example (or ABM) which uses a big tubular housing per string for the tuner and saddle feels a lot sturdier because everything is lined up and held in place vs. the Hipshot bridge where the tuner is just kinda attached to the back/bottom. Again, it's not really any less durable because either one will break if you smack it hard enough, it just wiggles.

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Re: Problem with the floating bridge on a Headless

Postby ItAllanLover » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:38 am

Ok but I believe that the fact that it moves is worsening the stability of the tuning. No other
part moves, the neck is stable, one piece with the body, the tuning should be firm but it doesn’t.

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Re: Problem with the floating bridge on a Headless

Postby ItAllanLover » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:43 am

codylagrone wrote:I've got tuning issues as well. My guitar is going back to the factory for the 2nd time now. Did you ever find a solution?

No, I haven’t... still fine tuning after each use of the bar.

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Re: Problem with the floating bridge on a Headless

Postby codylagrone » Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:03 pm

ItAllanLover wrote:No, I haven’t... still fine tuning after each use of the bar.


Mine is so bad that it goes out of tune when I bend strings. Dipping the bar slightly after it goes out of tune returns everything back to normal. However, sometimes it just goes out really bad when I'm playing chords, then it will eventually go back in tune after playing for a while. Really frustrating. Kiesel received my guitar yesterday. I'll post what they do to fix it, maybe that will help get yours working better.

I will say that the first time I sent the guitar back they changed bridge studs. That helped some, but it's still not usable. When they changed it out they put a rounded slot stud on the treble side of the bridge (same one used on the bass side) when before it was a v-shaped slot. Hipshot told me it should be v-shaped. I did notice that the nail points move up and down on this rounded stud when I use the bar.

Also, my nut slots aren't cut inline with the headpiece slots (the piece that locks the strings down). You can see the strings binding. They inspected it and I guess deemed it as ok because they didn't adjust it. Image attached.

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Re: Problem with the floating bridge on a Headless

Postby spudmunkey » Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:46 pm

codylagrone wrote: Right click on image below to open in a new tab (not sure why it wont just show up).


Because the link isn't just directly to the image: the link you've used is to a page that contains the picture. The link you should use will normally have to end in .jpg or .png, or something like that.

The link should look like this:

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Re: Problem with the floating bridge on a Headless

Postby codylagrone » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:54 am

Because the link isn't just directly to the image: the link you've used is to a page that contains the picture. The link you should use will normally have to end in .jpg or .png, or something like that.


Ah! thank you sir.

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Re: Problem with the floating bridge on a Headless

Postby glennfin » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:10 am

I'll be watching this thread with great interest.
I have a v6x being built right now and have had problems in the past with floating trems returning to correct tune. I am very much hoping the hipshot trem is an improvement over other floating trem designs.
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Re: Problem with the floating bridge on a Headless

Postby glennfin » Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:15 am

I now have my new V6X and I must say, it does hold tune after whammy very well, however it is difficult to tune accurately due to the fact that there's no trem lock like on the Steinberger S-trem for example The hipshot trem it's always floating with no way to lock it down while tuning. The slightest pressure up or down on the tuning screws while tuning changes the pitch of the string you're trying to tune.

I plan to resolve this issue by blocking the trem for dive only as I have done with every Strat I've ever owned.

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Re: Problem with the floating bridge on a Headless

Postby HarlowTheFish » Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:32 pm

glennfin wrote:I now have my new V6X and I must say, it does hold tune after whammy very well, however it is difficult to tune accurately due to the fact that there's no trem lock like on the Steinberger S-trem for example The hipshot trem it's always floating with no way to lock it down while tuning. The slightest pressure up or down on the tuning screws while tuning changes the pitch of the string you're trying to tune.

I plan to resolve this issue by blocking the trem for dive only as I have done with every Strat I've ever owned.

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on my Strandberg with a similar trem design, I just stick a deck of cards in the back between the term and the body to hold it in place while tuning more than just an adjustment or while changing strings.

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Re: Problem with the floating bridge on a Headless

Postby codylagrone » Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:23 pm

So, after sending my guitar back to kiesel twice it finally stays in tune. Bending strings and trem bar usage don't affecnt tuning that much. It's as good as you can expect without a floyd Rose. I had band practice twice a couple of weeks ago and I didn't even tune the second day. Kiesel eventually changed the bridge and that solved the problem. I can beat the trem bar pretty hard and the guitar remains usable for the rest of the song at the least. It's much better than when I first got the guitar. I gotta say, I've gone from regretting buying this thing to loving it.

So, to the guy with the Holdsworth, send it in for warranty repair!

Concerning tuning and string changes, my Osiris originally came with a foam block under the trem as part of the shipping packaging, which was a great block for string changes. Sadly, I never got it back after I sent the guitar in for repair. I don't have a problem with tuning the strings anymore, as I think you get used to tuning in a floating bridge. It just takes time to adjust.

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Re: Problem with the floating bridge on a Headless

Postby ItAllanLover » Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:06 am

codylagrone wrote:So, after sending my guitar back to kiesel twice it finally stays in tune. Bending strings and trem bar usage don't affecnt tuning that much. It's as good as you can expect without a floyd Rose. I had band practice twice a couple of weeks ago and I didn't even tune the second day. Kiesel eventually changed the bridge and that solved the problem. I can beat the trem bar pretty hard and the guitar remains usable for the rest of the song at the least. It's much better than when I first got the guitar. I gotta say, I've gone from regretting buying this thing to loving it.

So, to the guy with the Holdsworth, send it in for warranty repair!

Concerning tuning and string changes, my Osiris originally came with a foam block under the trem as part of the shipping packaging, which was a great block for string changes. Sadly, I never got it back after I sent the guitar in for repair. I don't have a problem with tuning the strings anymore, as I think you get used to tuning in a floating bridge. It just takes time to adjust.


Thank you for the suggestions, did you notice what was wrong with the bridge, before they changed it? What was the cause of its instability?

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Re: Problem with the floating bridge on a Headless

Postby codylagrone » Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:12 am

ItAllanLover -

I saw nothing that would cause the instability. I didn't notice anything in the spring cavity that was getting hung up or anything. I never took the bridge off to inspect it either, so I've got limited insight. I did notice that the new bridge held the trem bar a lot better. With the old one I was constantly tightening the set screw. Not sure if I have an improve version or if there are just variances in the parts. I think kiesel determined it was more cost effective to swap the bridge instead of spending the time to troubleshoot it.

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Re: Problem with the floating bridge on a Headless

Postby spudmunkey » Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:19 am

I remember three previous issues that had come up:
1: there was someone here who had an issue where the two pivot "points" on the one side were slightly splayed. That one took a new bridge.
2: On the other side, the "roller bar" pivot edge, the bar wasn't seated on one side, so it was on an angle.
3: Someone else had one where the trem post itself was a little bit off-alignment.

All 3 issues were successfully resolved, if i remember right.


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