R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth

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Re: R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth

Postby Tabare777 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:23 pm

In the 40 years I've been playing, I've never wanted to play like anyone as much as I wanted to play like him.
I never spent as much time attempting to learn anyone's music as I did with his.

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Re: R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth

Postby arahobob » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:01 am

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GuitarAnthony wrote:Such a shame. Also a shame that his family needs to raise money to cover the expenses. Just as I was getting over J Geils as well.

RIP Allan.

On a positive note, it's really great to see that the GoFundMe to cover expenses rocketed way over the goal in just 8 hours...and is still climbing.


They were hoping for 20k - its all ready closing on on 100k
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Re: R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth

Postby MarkusB » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:17 am

I just can't believe it yet.

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Re: R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth

Postby Casual Madman » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:41 am

Holdsworth, Zaza, and Becker are amazing guitarists I might never have known of, if not for my longtime love of Carvin (now Kiesel) Guitars. Thanks to the brand for making my world a little bigger.

RIP, Allan Holdsworth - but your music lives forever.

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Re: R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth

Postby Doctor Turn » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:21 am

For me I have to throw in Howe and Gambale. Holdsworth I knew of through his work with Jeff Berlin and Bill Bruford in the 80's because of how closely I followed that clique of British progressive/jazz players via the resurrected Crimson with Levin and Belew. I was aware of Becker thru Cacophony and Roth but really wasn't a fan of that genre enough to zoom in on what Jason was actually playing to realize how beyond the bounds of the ordinarily possible what Jason was doing. He's actually the only guy who, were he allowed by fate to progress, I could see matching or surpassing what Allan was doing in terms of extreme tonic extrapolation and execution. To me, in terms of technical prowess, there is Jason and Allan, and it works downward from there. The loss of Jason's progress and continued playing was a musical tragedy to me, in retrospect, on par with the death of Hendrix.

Zaza and Gambale are fantastic players, but they don't tickle the outer reaches of the solar system the way Allan and Jason did--and that's only in this one man's opinion.
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Re: R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth

Postby Doctor Turn » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:14 am

Did anyone hereabouts watch the last live stream on FB? Apparently Jeff shed some tears over Allan? I saw someone mention something on FB about the stream and "How it's truly a family, and how moving it was to see Jeff so vulnerable," etc.. so I'm guessing he wept over Allan's death?

Just curious if anyone saw it--sounds very sweet, and I can totally believe it. He grew up/came of age professionally with Allan constnantly visiting the shop, working with his dad, going back and forth to perfect models, etc. Not only was he the greatest of the lot of Signatories, but he went back the longest of them all.
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Re: R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth

Postby arahobob » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:44 am

Doctor Turn wrote:Did anyone hereabouts watch the last live stream on FB? Apparently Jeff shed some tears over Allan? I saw someone mention something on FB about the stream and "How it's truly a family, and how moving it was to see Jeff so vulnerable," etc.. so I'm guessing he wept over Allan's death?

Just curious if anyone saw it--sounds very sweet, and I can totally believe it. He grew up/came of age professionally with Allan constnantly visiting the shop, working with his dad, going back and forth to perfect models, etc. Not only was he the greatest of the lot of Signatories, but he went back the longest of them all.


He looked and sounded completely heartbroken.
I only watched for a bit.
I was nice to see all of the positive posts, but I truly felt bad for Jeff.
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Re: R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth

Postby Doctor Turn » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:15 am

I managed to watch about the first ten minutes of it while here at work. He didn't cry but seemed to come close. He's been dealing with the Holdsworth son/daughters over the past few days which I'm sure is not easy at all. You could see he's been thru a tough stretch.
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Re: R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth

Postby fatfretty » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:55 pm

I watched the live feed, and Jeff was close to tears but stayed strong and was genuinely upset. He had just seen Allan the week before, and something told him to say How much he loved Allan, to his face. I am glad he had the opportunity to make such a statement. Imagine how much worse he would feel if he hadn't shared those words with Allan.

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Re: R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth

Postby Doctor Turn » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:19 pm

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Re: R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth

Postby spudmunkey » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:36 pm

Help me out...is the guy on our left notable?

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Re: R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth

Postby Greg Emm » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:40 pm

spudmunkey wrote:Help me out...is the guy on our left notable?


Yes. Jeff Berlin.

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Re: R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth

Postby MikeBass » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:20 pm

Greg Emm wrote:
spudmunkey wrote:Help me out...is the guy on our left notable?


Yes. Jeff Berlin.


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Re: R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth

Postby Tabare777 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:25 pm

Here's Jeff Berlin on bass and Allan on guitar in a band called Bruford(King Crimson's drummer's band) mid '70's
Jeff is a demon on bass!
Jeff Berlin playing HERE>https://www.facebook.com/ERGSrUS/videos/1539168875243/
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Re: R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth

Postby Tabare777 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:52 pm

Came home to this last night!

I had most of them on vinyl, but the gift of being able to pay the man something at least for a body of incredible work and memories that are priceless,
and also get the Allan approved re-masters is reward in itself!

For me, the music of John Coltrane is the Old Testament and this collection by Allan Holdsworth,
the New Testament of The Bible of Music!

Rest In Power SIR ALLAN OF HOLDSWORTH
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Re: R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth

Postby Doctor Turn » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:38 am

MikeBass wrote:
Greg Emm wrote:
spudmunkey wrote:Help me out...is the guy on our left notable?


Yes. Jeff Berlin.


He's new but he's good :wink:

The whole Road Games period was my route into discovering Holdsworth in the 80's, and I discovered him through my bass player who was a big fan of Jeff (his favorite all time bassist was Tony Levin.. to the degree that he bought himself a Chapman Stick.. and promptly--after realizing how difficult and unlike anything else the instrument actually was, including piano, proceeded to put it and leave it permanently in the corner. I think he sold it a few years ago). So Berlin will always be synonymous with Allan for me. Just an automatic involuntary thing by-association in my mind.

Good stuff with him via the whole Rock Goes To College performance.
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Re: R.I.P. Allan Holdsworth

Postby scottjonesmusic » Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:47 pm

My heart goes out to Louise, Rori, Emily, Sam, Lynne and all who knew and loved him.

I had the opportunity to hang out for a few hours with Allan at NAMM this year. I was able to really sit and talk with him at length, and tell him how much he meant to me, to his fans, and tell him just how much of a positive impact he had on the world. He teared up a little and was extremely grateful for everyone’s support through the years. In that space, among many other things, I just wanted him to hear how loved he was. How much his fans treasured him.

My favorite moment was sharing pictures and stories of my kids with him. He was so kind and receptive. (We spent maybe a total of 10-15 minutes talking anything about music). Because I know he gets inundated with that all the time, I just let it be a nice time without all of that.

The main point I wanted him to hear was “we love you, we are grateful.” All of us wishing we had said these things, deeply, to him while he was here…I did. For all of us. I made sure of it.

The reason I share the story at all is not to boast. I’m not the only person to have met him or hung out at length. I wasn’t his best friend, nor did I call him every day.

I just want to let everyone know that he appreciated all of you, that he heard about our love clearly, in a down to earth manner, without the usual hustle of a meet and greet, or the pressure surrounding a gig.

It was a unique and special time I will cherish forever. He was such a sweet man and a lovely presence to be around. You’d never know he was a Legend.

Even though the circumstances are profoundly sad, I thought to myself (while driving and listening to Holdsworth), that at this very moment, Allan’s music is likely being listened to, ALL AT ONCE, by MORE people than at any time in history. That brought a smile and a tear.

His impact will outlast us all.

Rest well, Master. You’ve earned it.

With Frank Gambale, Jeff Kiesel, and Allan at 2016 NAMM
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Allan's daughters, my friends Emily Holdsworth and Louise with Allan and I at NAMM 2017
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Dinner and drinks with Allan. Photo by Louise Holdsworth
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