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Carvin Humbucker wiring help

Postby Washbrun_Guy » Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:59 pm

Hey everyone as the title states I need some help wiring in my Carvin C22T and C22J (I think it's a C22J) The problem is I can't find a decent color coded wiring diagram, and I'd rather not attempt it and mess anything up. Thanks in advance! \m/

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re: Carvin Humbucker wiring help

Postby Bundy » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:24 pm

Can you be more specific about what kind of pickup switching you require? Coil-splitting? Phase switch?

Does this link help?
http://www.carvinservice.com/crg/manual ... ev2008.pdf
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re: Carvin Humbucker wiring help

Postby Washbrun_Guy » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:38 pm

Unfortunately I am some what of a noob in the world of guitar tech, so Phase switching is new to me, I know what Coil Splitting is but other than that nope.

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Postby Bundy » Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:32 pm

The link I provided should help with the color-coding of Carvin pickups.

Basically what I meant to ask with my first post is how you'll be using the C22T and C22J-- direct replacements for other pickups? We want to provide as much help as we can and simply need more info on what you want to do. With the collective assistance of members of this forum, your chances of success are very good! 8)
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re: Carvin Humbucker wiring help

Postby Washbrun_Guy » Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:40 pm

Oh alright I get what you mean now, okay so Im switching the stock pickups in my Washburn WI-64 with C22T and C22J, So yeah direct replacements.

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Postby Bundy » Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:54 pm

After a little bit of research, I see the WI64 has something called a VCC system. Can you post a pic of the stock wiring of the control cavity?
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Postby Washbrun_Guy » Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:01 pm

No problem, I will post it probably some time later on this afternoon, once I get out of my afternoon classes, it will be posted around then (like sometime around 2 or 3 PM Eastern Standard time) Thanks for the help so far! \m/

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Postby Bundy » Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:15 pm

From what I've seen so far elsewhere online, this should not be a problem. For the simplest method, I'll guess it'll go something like this:

*Solder green and white Carvin pup wires together and tape 'em back out of the way.

*Red is hot on the Carvin pup; that'll either go to a volume pot or the 3-way switch.

*Black and shield on the Carvin pups go to ground, and that'd be a thin piece of uncovered wire that is soldered from the back of the pots to the inside of the control cavity wall somewhere. From the pics I've seen it appears Washburn used shielding paint instead of copper foil.

Apparently what the VCC does is emulate single coil tone? With the Carvin pickups it is possible to wire it all up for single-coil operation, but then we'd need to explore options on how to do that...
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re: Carvin Humbucker wiring help

Postby Washbrun_Guy » Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:06 am

Wow Just realized I misspelled Washburn, now I feel like an idiot. Anyways I actually messed that up, I have a Carvin M22T for the Bridge, and a C22J for the Neck. Sorry for any confusion.
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Postby Washbrun_Guy » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:26 am

Here is the photo, I managed to get the back plate off. As I suspected they put the plate on before the paint was dry (go figure) so hopefully you can make better use of this pic than me. \m/Image

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re: Carvin Humbucker wiring help

Postby Bundy » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:03 am

Kinda rare to see the same color wires as the Carvin pickups.

I've done some searching on the Washburn forums and get mixed info, but I did find that the WB black = ground and the red = hot. That's a good start. :mrgreen:
Some people are saying to tape the WB630 green + white together (which is what we'd do with Carvin pickups), and that would work if you don't need coil-splitting or the VCC feature your guitar already has.

From there, if it were me I'd put the Carvin pickups in one at a time and solder the colored wires in the same spot as the ones you ripped out, since the wiring colors match. Sorry if this seems trial-and-error but I'm not having luck finding a definitive wiring code for the WB630 humbuckers. We're not beaten just yet!
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re: Carvin Humbucker wiring help

Postby Washbrun_Guy » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:28 am

Ok, because I actually just want to bypass my VCC system and tape back the wires so I can hook it up later if I wanted to, but at this point I don't really need/want them hooked up. Sorry if this seems redundant but how should I go about wiring in the Carvin's again? Basically just take one of the Washburn pickups out and then replace it with the Carvin, then once it's all in a wired up do the same for the other?

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Postby Bundy » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:39 am

Washbrun_Guy wrote:Ok, because I actually just want to bypass my VCC system and tape back the wires so I can hook it up later if I wanted to, but at this point I don't really need/want them hooked up. Sorry if this seems redundant but how should I go about wiring in the Carvin's again? Basically just take one of the Washburn pickups out and then replace it with the Carvin, then once it's all in a wired up do the same for the other?


That's exactly what I would do. Putting the pickups in one at a time simply eliminates confusion with loose wires everywhere. I'd start by putting all the color-coded wires to the same places.

But you've said you don't need the VCC, so simply remove a WB630 and replace it with a Carvin. Tape the Carvin's green and white together and again tape them out of the way. Solder black to black, red to red, and the shield to ground.
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re: Carvin Humbucker wiring help

Postby Washbrun_Guy » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:14 pm

Okay so what should I do exactly to eliminate the VCC system? Since the volume pots are wired over to it, thanks! \m/

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re: Carvin Humbucker wiring help

Postby Bundy » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:32 pm

No guarantees you'll like the sound without tone pots and a cap, but...

Carvin pickups wire up just like we described earlier. Look at the link I posted and you'll have to make small modifications to "Kit 40."
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re: Carvin Humbucker wiring help

Postby Washbrun_Guy » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:21 pm

Just about how different would the sound be? I mean my friend has a Washburn WI-64 as well and he bypassed his VCC and I like it's sound, does that count?

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Postby Bundy » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:28 pm

Washbrun_Guy wrote:Just about how different would the sound be? I mean my friend has a Washburn WI-64 as well and he bypassed his VCC and I like it's sound, does that count?


Using Carvin's pickups, wire yours the same way! :wink:

Green + White solder together, tape the leads up well, and tape it back to the shielded lead.

Red is hot-- that'd go to either a volume pot or one side of the 3-way switch.

Black and shield are ground.
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re: Carvin Humbucker wiring help

Postby Washbrun_Guy » Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:05 am

On Kit 40 what small modifications would I make? Obviously it doesn't show two volume pots, but we can work with that right? ;} I really appreciate your help so far dude \m/

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re: Carvin Humbucker wiring help

Postby Bundy » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:47 pm

On each VCC pot, there's a thick wire going to each volume pot. One green, one red. Cut 'em loose at the volume pot.

All the WB630 pickup wires appear to go to the VCC pots. Cut those loose at the pots and remove the pickups.

De-solder the red wire on the top VCC pot in the photo. The other end is soldered to the control cavity-- leave that end there! Take the end you disconnected and solder it to the bare wire below the top voulume pot in the photo.

Now put your Carvin pickups in. You already know what we're doing with the white + green. Remember black and shield go to ground. Red is hot and that can go to the active lug on the volume pot. Done!

I'm really not a pro at this, but I have worked on many Carvin guitars rebuilding/rewiring with success. I go for the simplest route possible to get the job done.
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