KOA NuGD - a question about scale length [edit: false alarm]

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KOA NuGD - a question about scale length [edit: false alarm]

Postby mbardu » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:15 am

Alright...

First things first. This recently aquired puppy is extremely smooth to play with the all tung oil finish, and it sounds amazing (more on that later).

One of the prettiest 'natural' Carvins I've owned too. I was looking at a new build with a 'natural' Carvin look and may postpone that for some time if I keep this one.

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Specs:
*'94 or '95 DC127
*2-piece Koa neck
*Flamed Koa wings (yes...this is not a Koa top, the entire body is figured...)
*M22 matched pickups (90's version...they just scream)
*Original Carvin Wilkinson tremolo
A note on that tremolo. In the 90's catalog, Carvin described it as "the finest tremolo system made". And I understand why now... That thing is incredible. It can take 2 tones up or down; dives, wobbles, you name it...and it goes back to the zero position in perfect pitch with no issue at all. Beats the PRS trems, and Gotoh two-point systems IMO And that's saying a lot! The difference with the contemporary VS50 is night and day...

Now, after playing it for a while, I was curious about the sound.
There was something I couldn't quite put my finger on at first that made it stand out from my other neck-thrus. Brighter attack, snappier tone overall, and more harmonic overtones when letting the notes sustain. I've had Koa guitars before, as well as M22s...so I went to check the scale length (silly idea right...)... and it is a 25"5 scale :!: . Exactly the same lenght as Carvin's modern 7-strings and bolt-ons...

What gives? Was that the standard for neck-thrus at the time?
I was aware of some 6-stringers in 24.75 scale in the past, but not 25.5 :!:

So I'm super confused now :mrgreen:

Anyone having some insight on that?
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re: KOA NuGD - and a question about scale length...

Postby spudmunkey » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:35 am

First thing's first: how did you measure the scale? Nut to bridge, or nut to 12th fret, then double?

Could it possibly be an LS175? [edit: never mind...LS175 was 22 frets ... ]

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re: KOA NuGD - and a question about scale length...

Postby mbardu » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:46 am

Ha! FALSE ALARM! FALSE ALARM!

Apparently I just can't measure right :mrgreen: :lol:
I measured to the bridge on the bass strings and it looked like 25.5"...and well it did also match the treble side of my DC727...

Obviously remeasuring to the 12th fret showed my mistake :lol:

Man I played too much tonight and I'm too tired to think straight anymore it seems - guess I need some sleep.

Thank you for putting me back on the right track Spud :D

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Postby spudmunkey » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:23 am

That's what you pay me for! :)

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Postby FlyingV » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:31 am

Wow is that guitar pretty :drool:

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Postby Nlelith » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:04 am

Looks like pretty awesome guitar! HNuGD!

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Postby ferret » Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:34 am

Thumbs up. Koa beauty.

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Postby ElfDude » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:21 am

FlyingV wrote:Wow is that guitar pretty :drool:

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Re: KOA NuGD - a question about scale length [edit: false al

Postby truedog » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:43 am

mbardu wrote:Alright...

Now, after playing it for a while, I was curious about the sound.
There was something I couldn't quite put my finger on at first that made it stand out from my other neck-thrus. More attack, snappier tone overall, and more harmonic overtones when letting the notes sustain. I've had Koa guitars before, as well as M22s...so I went to check the scale length (silly idea right...)... and it is a 25"5 scale :!: . Exactly the same lenght as Carvin's modern 7-strings and bolt-ons...

What gives? Was that the standard for neck-thrus at the time?
I was aware of some 6-stringers in 24.75 scale in the past, but not 25.5 :!:

So I'm super confused now :mrgreen:

Anyone having some insight on that?


So you know it's a 25" scale now. Different sound...... should I open that can of worms and suggest it might be the all koa construction?

Oops.... too late!

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Re: KOA NuGD - a question about scale length [edit: false al

Postby mbardu » Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:11 am

truedog wrote:
mbardu wrote:Alright...

Now, after playing it for a while, I was curious about the sound.
There was something I couldn't quite put my finger on at first that made it stand out from my other neck-thrus. More attack, snappier tone overall, and more harmonic overtones when letting the notes sustain. I've had Koa guitars before, as well as M22s...so I went to check the scale length (silly idea right...)... and it is a 25"5 scale :!: . Exactly the same lenght as Carvin's modern 7-strings and bolt-ons...

What gives? Was that the standard for neck-thrus at the time?
I was aware of some 6-stringers in 24.75 scale in the past, but not 25.5 :!:

So I'm super confused now :mrgreen:

Anyone having some insight on that?


So you know it's a 25" scale now. Different sound...... should I open that can of worms and suggest it might be the all koa construction?

Oops.... too late!


Ha I should have seen that coming :).

In fact the reason for being brighter is just that the pickup switch is not wired the same as my other guitars (opposite actually).
So while I was playing the guitar thinking I was hearing the neck pickup (what I play 75% of the time...), it was actually the bridge one :lol: . Mystery solved, and that reconciles much better with what I was hearing! The 'real' neck pickup is, as expected, much smoother, rounder, with a bit more sustain and a bit less harmonics.

I do believe the wood has an effect on tone.. And I can tell between guitars of otherwise equal specs (easy as I've had PLENTY of Carvin dcs for instance, and often swapped the exact same pickup between guitars). Some of it is individual piece of wood, but there are overall properties that are tough to deny. Koa being more 'articulate' than mahogany, walnut (my favorite) more 'raw' (Carvin talks about growl :) ) etc.

Of course you'll only hear that with cleaner and smoother tones. Add gain on your amp, and all guitars with similar pickups will sound the same. Actually that's why I think half the people don't hear a difference. Probably because playing with a lot of gain essentially kills that difference.

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Postby dbone » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:22 am

Sweet Koa with a nice NIN board good score!
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Postby apedrape » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:38 am

yes , nice score dude!

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Postby spudmunkey » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:58 pm

It looks great, especially for it's age!

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Postby mbardu » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:48 pm

spudmunkey wrote:It looks great, especially for it's age!


Oh its practically in new condition.
No dings or scratches, no oxydation anywhere, perfect hardware and no fretwear whatsoever.

Quite incredible to be frank :ninja:

And man... That trem... Played it again today and still can't believe how good it is... Super smooth feel too.

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Postby CarvinKook » Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:08 pm

That piece of neck behind the bridge looks killer. Almost like you could look round In There! Congrats man, you have us quite a few killer
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Re: KOA NuGD - a question about scale length [edit: false al

Postby dc400dragonburst » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:05 pm

mbardu wrote:Alright...

First things first. This recently aquired puppy is extremely smooth to play with the all tung oil finish, and it sounds amazing (more on that later).

One of the prettiest 'natural' Carvins I've owned too. I was looking at a new build with a 'natural' Carvin look and may postpone that for some time if I keep this one.


Specs:
*'94 or '95 DC127
*2-piece Koa neck
*Flamed Koa wings (yes...this is not a Koa top, the entire body is figured...)
*M22 matched pickups (90's version...they just scream)
*Original Carvin Wilkinson tremolo
A note on that tremolo. In the 90's catalog, Carvin described it as "the finest tremolo system made". And I understand why now... That thing is incredible. It can take 2 tones up or down; dives, wobbles, you name it...and it goes back to the zero position in perfect pitch with no issue at all. Beats the PRS trems, and Gotoh two-point systems IMO And that's saying a lot! The difference with the contemporary VS50 is night and day...

Now, after playing it for a while, I was curious about the sound.
There was something I couldn't quite put my finger on at first that made it stand out from my other neck-thrus. Brighter attack, snappier tone overall, and more harmonic overtones when letting the notes sustain. I've had Koa guitars before, as well as M22s...so I went to check the scale length (silly idea right...)... and it is a 25"5 scale :!: . Exactly the same lenght as Carvin's modern 7-strings and bolt-ons...

What gives? Was that the standard for neck-thrus at the time?
I was aware of some 6-stringers in 24.75 scale in the past, but not 25.5 :!:

So I'm super confused now :mrgreen:

Anyone having some insight on that?


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Postby AMANAMAN » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:15 pm

I love this Koa beauty!!
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Postby mbardu » Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:51 pm

Can't believe how nice it plays too :shock:

This 90's trem is unbelievable!


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