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CS4 model, discontinued?

Postby R3V3R53_Z3BR4 » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:07 pm

I've been playing with the CS4 builder for the past week or so but I see now that the model is no longer listed! Will I still be able to order a CS model with a plain top if I so desire?

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Postby spudmunkey » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:17 pm

Yes you can, only now you would buy a CS3 and then select a plain maple top (similar to how you would no longer purchase a DC747 guitar… You would select the DC727, and then select the center single coil pickup option.)

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Postby R3V3R53_Z3BR4 » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:40 pm

That's good to know! Thanks for the info.

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Postby ferret » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:38 am

CT4 and CT424 as well, for those keeping score.

I never really liked the CT and CS model structure. Same guitar with different tiers of options.... Always seemed weird to me in the face of the idea of a custom shop.

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re: CS4 model, discontinued?

Postby Kevio » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:20 am

Yes, all the "4" model carved tops are gone, but those options have been added to the "3" models (maple top, koa top, walnut top, rear of body clear, body bindings, headstock woods), so you can still order exactly the same thing (and the "3" models have been reduced in price). We're trying to pare down some of the models because there are so many, and we have to make room for more. :)

There will probably be other changes - for example, the DC135 and DC145 will probably go away, with those pickup configurations being offered on the DC127. Having over 100 models is a lot to keep up with, but in reality, it's more like 400 models, because we treat things like DC127, DC127M, DC127B, DC127T and DC127C as individual models. So, when I changed the prices on the "3" carved tops last night, it wasn't just the 4 Custom Shop versions (CT3, CT324, CS3, CS324); it was the S, T, C models in GIS, as well. It's a lot to keep up with, and one of the (many) goals of the new company is to streamline where we can.

FYI, AT (ash top) has also been added to the "3" models - that's new.
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Re: re: CS4 model, discontinued?

Postby ferret » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:34 am

Kevio wrote:There will probably be other changes - for example, the DC135 and DC145 will probably go away, with those pickup configurations being offered on the DC127.


100% agree with this change. Agreed when the DC747 was merged into DC727 as well.

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re: CS4 model, discontinued?

Postby PowerTube » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:55 am

I want an acoustic with a Floyd Rose and the Jason Becker numbers on the fingerboard.

Maybe it'll be called a JBACC.

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Postby rYche » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:06 am

heck, i love the mention from Jeff on the q&a 5 video about a dynamic builder. Can't wait :)

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Postby ElfDude » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:12 am

These all sound like intelligent moves. Good on ya, you guys! :applause:
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Postby Bredo » Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:38 am

ElfDude wrote:These all sound like intelligent moves. Good on ya, you guys! :applause:

Agreed to a 100% :applause:

All for "streamlined"........ and a nice Sticky :mrgreen:
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re: CS4 model, discontinued?

Postby spudmunkey » Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:49 am

Good to hear!!!!

I always thought it made more sense that the 3 was separate than it did to have the 4 and 6 separate.

Like...I get the "solid body" separation, but why a separate model for plain maple and figured maple?

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Postby 86general » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:02 pm

spudmunkey wrote:Good to hear!!!!

I always thought it made more sense that the 3 was separate than it did to have the 4 and 6 separate.

Like...I get the "solid body" separation, but why a separate model for plain maple and figured maple?


I always thought there were too many models....to my way of thinking, there is ONE double cut, carved top model, the CT. Whether you get a figured top or not, etc., all those things I consider options. But I figured having different model designations probably made it easier when orders were placed or something.

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Postby spudmunkey » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:13 pm

Yup. Besides narrowing down the models, though, I think the next step is adding HSH, HSS, HS, SSS to all of their neck-through models (of the same scale), adding HSH to the CTs, etc etc. ESPECIALLY if they are developing a Kiesel single coil pickup. it seem like it would make sense to amortize the development costs for a single coil pickup by offering it in more than a handful of models.

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Postby ElfDude » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:32 pm

spudmunkey wrote:Yup. Besides narrowing down the models, though, I think the next step is adding HSH, HSS, HS, SSS to all of their neck-through models (of the same scale), adding HSH to the CTs, etc etc. ESPECIALLY if they are developing a Kiesel single coil pickup. it seem like it would make sense to amortize the development costs for a single coil pickup by offering it in more than a handful of models.


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Postby spudmunkey » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:01 pm

I thought you'd like that. ;)

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Postby potatohead » Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:12 pm

The ash top is cool, I had to 50 it on my current build and I don't imagine it's super rare. I also noticed the guitar on the CS3 builder page is the one I returned :P .

While this does seem to unclutter the models and I think it's good, it's a good deal more cash to get a CS4 now. The top, binding and clear back are all extra costs... Of course that's assuming full color is now the default like it was on the CS3. However if someone wants a top wood with no binding and/or painted back it is cheaper than before, so really it evens out.
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re: CS4 model, discontinued?

Postby Bredo » Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:00 am

Yes they know how to do business ;)

While you can in theory get a cheaper CS3/CT3 now, of corse they know about our option obsession.
I'll stay sober on a Classic White CS3, and SAVE $50 :) And you can make it up for me, by going option crazy :mrgreen:

Seriously: Less clutter, more streamlined (less customer confusion/work/fix-up - now with the world as a direct sales place).
Business wise, a smart move.
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Re: re: CS4 model, discontinued?

Postby Geddy » Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:25 pm

ferret wrote:CT4 and CT424 as well, for those keeping score.

I never really liked the CT and CS model structure. Same guitar with different tiers of options.... Always seemed weird to me in the face of the idea of a custom shop.


Hey Ferret, I totally get preferences to different models, colors and what not, but I'm not clear what you mean by your statement about the CT and the CS being the same guitar. I mean, yes they are both California Carved Tops but totally different shape. You can only get the 2tone and 2vol option on the CS and I would assume there to be a slight tone shift between the two depending on wood choices and wood densities. Even the neck heels are different on the two models. I'm just curious, and not in any way offended by your dislike to my "precious' Ginger :wink:

On another point: I remember looking into the builder trying to figure out the difference between the DC727 and the DC747 ... it was one of those things that you don't notice at first but I didn't want to give up on, and finally found it. The result was disappointing and I thought at the time, "why the heck is this a separate model?". I'm all for streamlining the builder.

Kevio, great work! I'm a programmer and designer in a different field, but I can certainly appreciate the amount of work you put into streamlining the builder as well as updating all the GIS information as well. It makes me want to mail you out a can of some fine Canadian Coffee from one of our famous hockey legends "Tim Hortons" ... good stuff.

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re: CS4 model, discontinued?

Postby ferret » Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:39 pm

No, I'm not talking about CT and CS models themselves or saying they are the same, they clearly aren't, but their model structure. I.e. the 3/4/6 thing with option limitations.

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Re: re: CS4 model, discontinued?

Postby Geddy » Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:39 pm

ferret wrote:No, I'm not talking about CT and CS models themselves or saying they are the same, they clearly aren't, but their model structure. I.e. the 3/4/6 thing with option limitations.


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