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Re: single coil RAD pickup

Postby A-Ro » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:49 pm

Bob C wrote:Hey A-Ro,

Thanks for that info. I gather the RAD single has less volume drop because it's a hotter pickup. I've been on the fence about the bridge pickup, but this is pushing me over to the single coil. Is your PB5 active or passive? Blend or VVT? What are your normal settings?



Mine is passive with the standard Volume/Blend/Tone. My settings change depending on the song but, in general I like to have the blend knob slightly favoring the SCP. My tone knob is usually full on for upbeat songs and rolled off about halfway for slower melodic stuff.

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Re: single coil RAD pickup

Postby Toptube » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:18 pm

You guys with volume issues on the RAdiused humbuckers: have you adjusted the pickup height? The radiused pickups are pretty sensitive to pickup height. You'd might be surprised at what just one full turn of the screw, can do!

I haven't tried the Kiesel Radium humbuckers. But, the Carvin RAD-HVA are similar/the same output as the RAD-JVA single coil. In fact, I really liked the humbucker as a bridge pickup and sometimes think about putting it back in... :rockon:

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Re: single coil RAD pickup

Postby Bob C » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:42 am

Toptube, that's good to know. Thanks for the info.

A-Ro, the plan for my next build is along those lines too: straightforward, basics bass, but still with some flexibility. Any issues with the blend control?

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Re: single coil RAD pickup

Postby A-Ro » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:31 am

Toptube wrote:You guys with volume issues on the RAdiused humbuckers: have you adjusted the pickup height? The radiused pickups are pretty sensitive to pickup height. You'd might be surprised at what just one full turn of the screw, can do!

I haven't tried the Kiesel Radium humbuckers. But, the Carvin RAD-HVA are similar/the same output as the RAD-JVA single coil. In fact, I really liked the humbucker as a bridge pickup and sometimes think about putting it back in... :rockon:


I understand that's typically the fix and, I had the RAD-H as high as it could go (which made it hard to play over the bridge). No luck.

I'm happier now the the RAD-J.

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Re: single coil RAD pickup

Postby A-Ro » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:33 am

Bob C wrote:Toptube, that's good to know. Thanks for the info.

A-Ro, the plan for my next build is along those lines too: straightforward, basics bass, but still with some flexibility. Any issues with the blend control?


I personally prefer the blend control over 2 volume controls for the simple fact that I can completely control my volume with one knob (instead of fumbling with 2).

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Re: single coil RAD pickup

Postby Bob C » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:46 am

I have the blend on my older LB70, and it's just fine (this is with two identical pickups, of course - H50A's). But when the PB series came out, there was some talk of the blend control having some inherent problems. I guess they've all been corrected now, but I'm still always interested in first hand accounts.

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Re: single coil RAD pickup

Postby dont_fret » Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:21 am

I was wondering if you guys could help me out. From Kiesel I ordered and last week received what I expected to be 1 KRJ single coil and 1 KRJ reverse wound single coil for my Icon. Instead I received what appear to be one KRJ and one KRHB humbucker bridge pickup, but I'm not completely sure because of the labeling.

Here's my invoice which has the one KRJ and one KRJ reverse wound I thought I ordered
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Here are the pickups from the front which both have the green dot indicating what I thought was supposed to be a single coil
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Here are the pickups from the back. One the left pickup is written "KRJ," and there looks like what appears to be one coil up top. One the right pickup is written "KR.H.B" with a yellow dot sticker and what appears to be not the same coil configuration. In fact I can't see the coil from the back here.
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So was I shipped one of the wrong pickups? It seems that way but I can't quite tell!
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Re: single coil RAD pickup

Postby Toptube » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:31 pm

Get the tiny Allen wrench you would use to adjust your bridge saddles and lightly drag it across the tops of the pickups.

A humbucker will attract the wrench on both sides. A single coil will only attract and pull it on one side. Specifically, the neck side. The single coil blades are positioned towards the neck, inside the pickup. Not centered.(which means you can flip the single coils, for a tone change!).

P.S. Indeed, green dots are supposed to be single coils. The humbuckers are a white dot. If you still suspect a mixup, Mike was very very helpful when I had issues ordering pickups. ; )

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Re: single coil RAD pickup

Postby dont_fret » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:08 am

Toptube wrote:Get the tiny Allen wrench you would use to adjust your bridge saddles and lightly drag it across the tops of the pickups.

A humbucker will attract the wrench on both sides. A single coil will only attract and pull it on one side. Specifically, the neck side. The single coil blades are positioned towards the neck, inside the pickup. Not centered.(which means you can flip the single coils, for a tone change!).

P.S. Indeed, green dots are supposed to be single coils. The humbuckers are a white dot. If you still suspect a mixup, Mike was very very helpful when I had issues ordering pickups. ; )


Thanks for the suggestion. I did the allen wrench test and it looks like one of these pickups is a humbucker! Guess I need to call Kiesel tomorrow.

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Re: single coil RAD pickup

Postby Toptube » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:17 am

dont_fret wrote:
Toptube wrote:Get the tiny Allen wrench you would use to adjust your bridge saddles and lightly drag it across the tops of the pickups.

A humbucker will attract the wrench on both sides. A single coil will only attract and pull it on one side. Specifically, the neck side. The single coil blades are positioned towards the neck, inside the pickup. Not centered.(which means you can flip the single coils, for a tone change!).

P.S. Indeed, green dots are supposed to be single coils. The humbuckers are a white dot. If you still suspect a mixup, Mike was very very helpful when I had issues ordering pickups. ; )


Thanks for the suggestion. I did the allen wrench test and it looks like one of these pickups is a humbucker! Guess I need to call Kiesel tomorrow.

Bummer, dude!

Glad to help. I'm sure they will make it right.

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Re: single coil RAD pickup

Postby GlassToMouth » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:34 am

Threadsurrection. I'm hoping to get some clarification on some information regarding the radius single coil pickup options. I'm hoping to order a Zeus multiscale 4 string in the early part of 2018. Between tax time and a busy month of march for some decent paying gigs, I should have the disposable income to justify my second Kiesel bass. My first is a multiscale Vanquish 4 string. I ordered that with the radium humbuckers, but ended up doing an EMG overhaul with an EMG preamp and a pair of 45TWX pickups. I LOVE this instrument. It gives me the option to run in dual coil or single on each pickup. Well, technically their "single" mode switches to a stacked humbucker, but it definitely has a spectacular single coil tone to my ears. So, I already have a spare set of humbuckers lying around if I want to tinker.

Basically, I'm looking for clarification on coil location within the pickup casing. I know Kiesel offers 60's or 70's position in their bridge pickup. The way I understand it is that the routing is always the same on their respective basses, and it's positioned differently within inside the shell. So, is it simply whether the coils/magnets favor the bridge or neck side of the pup? If so, is their standard bridge location offering a shell with the magnets favoring the neck side of the radius shell? Or is it located dead center? I know how unreliable Kiesel's parts/accesories website can be. They do offer both a bridge and neck version of their radius humbucker. Whereas for the single coil, they offer their standard radium single as well as a reverse wound option.

In a perfect world, I want my neck position single to have the coils favoring the neck, and my neck position coils favoring the bridge. Basically, have the coils as close together as possible without requesting any special type of routing. Brighter neck, warmer bridge.

Paging Toptube or any others that have experience with such knowledge. And thanks to Mikebass for giving such detailed info on these and a stellar vote of confidence on the radium singles. It's good to know they seem to be as quiet as the humbuckers.

Edit: Further reading of information from Toptube appears to give me the good news I've been looking for. The singles favor one side or the other of the shell and can be easily flipped for tonal changes.
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Re: single coil RAD pickup

Postby Toptube » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:12 pm

GlassToMouth wrote:Threadsurrection. I'm hoping to get some clarification on some information regarding the radius single coil pickup options. I'm hoping to order a Zeus multiscale 4 string in the early part of 2018. Between tax time and a busy month of march for some decent paying gigs, I should have the disposable income to justify my second Kiesel bass. My first is a multiscale Vanquish 4 string. I ordered that with the radium humbuckers, but ended up doing an EMG overhaul with an EMG preamp and a pair of 45TWX pickups. I LOVE this instrument. It gives me the option to run in dual coil or single on each pickup. Well, technically their "single" mode switches to a stacked humbucker, but it definitely has a spectacular single coil tone to my ears. So, I already have a spare set of humbuckers lying around if I want to tinker.

Basically, I'm looking for clarification on coil location within the pickup casing. I know Kiesel offers 60's or 70's position in their bridge pickup. The way I understand it is that the routing is always the same on their respective basses, and it's positioned differently within inside the shell. So, is it simply whether the coils/magnets favor the bridge or neck side of the pup? If so, is their standard bridge location offering a shell with the magnets favoring the neck side of the radius shell? Or is it located dead center? I know how unreliable Kiesel's parts/accesories website can be. They do offer both a bridge and neck version of their radius humbucker. Whereas for the single coil, they offer their standard radium single as well as a reverse wound option.

In a perfect world, I want my neck position single to have the coils favoring the neck, and my neck position coils favoring the bridge. Basically, have the coils as close together as possible without requesting any special type of routing. Brighter neck, warmer bridge.

Paging Toptube or any others that have experience with such knowledge. And thanks to Mikebass for giving such detailed info on these and a stellar vote of confidence on the radium singles. It's good to know they seem to be as quiet as the humbuckers.

Edit: Further reading of information from Toptube appears to give me the good news I've been looking for. The singles favor one side or the other of the shell and can be easily flipped for tonal changes.


Indeed, you answered your own question.

For further clarity, if you order a 70's position single coil radiused pickup to favor the bridge side as default, I believe they put a purple dot on it. Wherea's the 60's position favoring the neck, would have a green dot.

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Re: single coil RAD pickup

Postby Burflickle » Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:31 am

Greg Emm wrote:
MikeBass wrote:The RAD-J sounds better paired with the SCP than the RAD-H.


Thanks for your excellent review, and for the above insight in particular. Awesome write-up.


yes, thank you very much! I have an AB6 (go to the AB6 page to see it :) ) with the scp / Rad-h and honestly don't care for the combo sound. by themselves ea sounds good. together not so much. I've considered changing to a single coil. Think I will now. thanks again MikeBass!

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Re: single coil RAD pickup

Postby Bob C » Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:42 am

It's good to revisit this thread, which I'd forgotten I started. I've since purchased an AB4 with SCP and RAD-S pickups (Over a year ago already!).

No regrets on the pickup choices, although who knows what I'll choose for my next build. I'll repeat what I've said in my other reviews: The single coil pickup is surprisingly quiet!

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Re: single coil RAD pickup

Postby Burflickle » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:40 am

Bob C wrote:It's good to revisit this thread, which I'd forgotten I started. I've since purchased an AB4 with SCP and RAD-S pickups (Over a year ago already!).

No regrets on the pickup choices, although who knows what I'll choose for my next build. I'll repeat what I've said in my other reviews: The single coil pickup is surprisingly quiet!


My AB6 has the config- SCP / RAD-H. Just ordered the RAD-S(KRJS). Looking forward to the new sound! thanks to everyone for their input on this topic!

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Re: single coil RAD pickup

Postby Burflickle » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:57 am

Burflickle wrote:
Bob C wrote:It's good to revisit this thread, which I'd forgotten I started. I've since purchased an AB4 with SCP and RAD-S pickups (Over a year ago already!).

No regrets on the pickup choices, although who knows what I'll choose for my next build. I'll repeat what I've said in my other reviews: The single coil pickup is surprisingly quiet!


My AB6 has the config- SCP / RAD-H. Just ordered the RAD-S(KRJS). Looking forward to the new sound! thanks to everyone for their input on this topic!


update- got the RAD-S(KRJS) installed. Sounds so much better!!! :applause: :D :applause: :D love it. IMHO the SCP's should be coupled w/ RAD-S as standard. thanks again for everyone's comments in this thread!

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Re: single coil RAD pickup

Postby MarshallTSL » Wed May 01, 2019 1:54 pm

I ordered the Rad single with the SCP for my forthcoming Icon 5.

MikeBass wrote:Some quick notes from my in-depth session:

The RAD-J sounds better paired with the SCP than the RAD-H. Just one man's opinion, but what a difference. The 50/50 blend sounds more alive and there are now new sweet spots at various points in-between.
The high strings seems to sing more with the RAD-J, though again it could just be how I'm used to that J99 sound.

One thing of interest is that the RAD-H doesn't seem to play well with overdrive pedals. Specifically, the high end tends to disappear at higher gain settings. It's funny because without any pedals/gain, the pickup's high end sounds perfectly normal. It's not a massive drop-off that makes the pickup unusable, just something I'd noticed. No such issue with the RAD-J.
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