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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby gumbynotpokey » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:16 am

In other matters - we know they will make a fretless 6 string guitar and have done a number of them.

Question for the guitarists on the beloved BBS: would such an instrument be ideal for use in a cover of "Fairies Wear Boots"?

I ask as it's always seemed to my ears that Tony slides some chords and even some slightly arpeggiated bits, and almost in and out of time/across measures.

Anyway, aside from what may be my wrong take on his writing and my ears possibly deceiving me, the question remains. Well, what say you, guitarists?

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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby spudmunkey » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:00 pm

Step 1: Lose your fingertips in an industrial accident at work

Step 2: Replace fingertips with melted plastic balls made from dish washing liquid bottle

:lol: Kidding, a bit, but I cant help but think that had something to do with it. I do hear what you are hearing, though. I would worry that a fretless would change all of the non-slide-y notes too much. :think: (says a guy who's never touched a fretless guitar :laughhard: )
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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby canon_mutant » Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:40 pm

Thought David got stuck at the start of this but it eventually got going . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb942oKkQ8o

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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby Anitoli » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:40 am

gumbynotpokey wrote:In other matters - we know they will make a fretless 6 string guitar and have done a number of them.

Question for the guitarists on the beloved BBS: would such an instrument be ideal for use in a cover of "Fairies Wear Boots"?

I ask as it's always seemed to my ears that Tony slides some chords and even some slightly arpeggiated bits, and almost in and out of time/across measures.

Anyway, aside from what may be my wrong take on his writing and my ears possibly deceiving me, the question remains. Well, what say you, guitarists?

Peace.

For alot of the songs he was also tuning down to C#. Makes things really wobbly.

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Postby Doctor Doug » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:53 am

Anitoli wrote:
gumbynotpokey wrote:In other matters - we know they will make a fretless 6 string guitar and have done a number of them.

Question for the guitarists on the beloved BBS: would such an instrument be ideal for use in a cover of "Fairies Wear Boots"?

I ask as it's always seemed to my ears that Tony slides some chords and even some slightly arpeggiated bits, and almost in and out of time/across measures.

Anyway, aside from what may be my wrong take on his writing and my ears possibly deceiving me, the question remains. Well, what say you, guitarists?

Peace.

For alot of the songs he was also tuning down to C#. Makes things really wobbly.


This for sure. He had such low string tension that this seem to smoosh out.
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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby Toptube » Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:57 pm

Watching the latest Q&A live stream----while re-stringing my Icon 5 with DR Fat Beams.

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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby helldorado » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:52 am

I've been wondering how many people post on the Kiesel group page simply because they're trying to get attention to their YouTube channel or hoping for an endorsement rather than simply to be part of a community?

You definitely see some people actively post with a lot of "hey look at me!" type posts, but rarely ever respond or provide helpful advice.

Like how many people would stop posting altogether if only Kiesel endorsed artists could post videos of their music? :laughhard:

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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby spudmunkey » Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:47 pm

OK, so: SH6 is in the oven. I guess the rest of the list would be:

1: Something with a bridge single coil and a trem. I haven't had a trem since I sold my Ibanez when I got my CS6. I never really learned how to work with a trem when I've owned them before, but with youtube being what it is these days, and having two crap-tastic trems on junky strat copies for a couple of years now, i think I've got a pretty good handle on how to set them up, and think I might want one...but only also so i can justify it's place in my guitar "collection", since i've already got my HSS aries, which has a splitable humbucker...so a unique bridge pickup wouldn't be enough, it would also need a different bridge. :) I think i still prefer the shape of the GH3 and the old bolt, visually, but the Delos was definitely more comfortable than the GH3. I really liked the idea of the HD, and I wouldn't kick one out of bed for eating crackers...I think I'd stick with the standard Delos with my own money.

2: I got a chance to play every on-the-wall Kiesel at NAMM, and I've gotta say...i've caught a fever for something neck-through. SCB was pretty nice, but I liked how the Vader and DC felt, the most...next to the K series, but I don't need a K series. I don't need a K series.

I don't need a K series.

I don't need a K series.

Sorry, i just need to keep telling myself that. :lol: Honestly, I really truely did still prefer it over the DC, even with as close-in-shape they look in photos since the DC design update. The K series' forearm contour is just deeper and wider, with that full-body chamfer around the top, and that super deep upper fret access cutaway...all very very nice. It felt very streamlined because the edge of the body is thinner all the way around.

Non-kiesel-wise, I'm also hoping to build a guitar body this summer our of a doorway header I pulled from my home when i widened a doorway. 70 years old solid redwood. Hoping to make a baritone bolt-on...something. I keep seeeing a body similar to a Fender Meteora...but the extended scale of a baritone with what is effectively a single cut, makes me a little nervous...unless I pull teh bridge way back almost to the end of the body...

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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby helldorado » Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:23 pm

spudmunkey wrote:I don't need a K series.


Keep saying it for me too. :mrgreen: I've always wanted something with a 5 layer body. Like ebony, maple, black limba, maple, ebony from front to back, and a K series would do it nicely. The main thing saving me is the laundry list of mods, repairs and other builds I want to do.

So I have that unplanned impulse Hot Pink Crackle A6X showing up this week... and that will go to the back of the line for mods. My work list got backed up because I bought some extra pickups that were on sale for Black Friday :oops:

I'm trying to work through the ready to go mod list first...
Hot Pink Kiesel V220 - new DiMarzio pickups received, waiting to be swapped in.
Tropic Kiesel DC600 baritone - Seymour Duncan custom shop pickups ordered, waiting to be received. Then it's a double date pickup swap day.
PRS SE 277 semi-hollow - have a set of raw nickel Fralin hum-cancelling P90's to swap in and want to order some locking tuners for it
Gibson Explorer - Have a set of satin nickel DiMarzio D Activators waiting to go in. Then I want to swap out the plastic bits for aluminum and give it a dress up and spa day.

Then it's the build / rebuild list. I think I have all the parts for all 4 of these ready to go, but need to finish the work.
Blonde swamp ash Strat that needs a refret, body clean-up and I have a full electronics swap planned for it. Blonde alder Tele parts build that is designed to coordinate with the Strat. The Strat is getting a HSH setup with a Mad Hatter Terminator 10 and the Tele has a SD quarter pound bridge and pearly gates neck pickup with a custom Mad Hatter wiring setup for 4 way wiring and tap/split. Then I have 2 Warmoth builds I need to finish... :lol: A Flamed Maple Blue Strat with a Wilkinson and Fender Texas Specials, and the other is an Ice Blue Metallic LP with a baritone neck. I kept collecting parts then I kind of realized I had everything and I just haven't gotten it all together to finish them. I think I just like buying parts... :think: :wall:

Then I have a Jazzmaster I'd like to mod to a Jazzblaster, a PRS S2 Vela semi-hollow I'd like to play with the pickups on, and an aged white Burny LPC copy I want to convert to a Randy Rhoads style vintage LPC with antiquity gold JB/Jazz pickups.

Oh... then I want a multiscale 7, a CT6 and a Crescent at some point. I really wish I could get a CT6 or Crescent with an extended scale neck in 6 strings, which is why I didn't get one of those sooner. But I really do think my next build with be a Delos so I can do a custom wiring setup with some Fralin Vintage Hot pickups.

And I'm spent.... check on me in 5 years if I ever get it done. :roll:

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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby ElfDude » Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:47 am

Congrats on the upcoming SH! I'm excited for you!
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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby canon_mutant » Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:28 pm

Not claiming to be in Beck's league . . . [disclaimer]

But, it can get weird with tremolo. My 3rd guitar, first Carvin, had the Wilkinson and I started using it heavily. Of course, I had also by then gotten HEAVILY into Gilmour's stuff so some tremolo required. But, then I developed my own style, similar to Beck where I pretty much have my hand on the thing constantly to the point I instinctively reach down for the bar out of habit even when playing my hardtails. :oops:

I think it can make you lazy though. IMO, You can do better tremolo, bend into, out of, slide into, out of on the fretboard and get a better tone. Fell in love with Andy Timmons' style in recent years. He uses his tremolo but much less. More sliding into and out of notes and even chords, still plenty of in/out of bends, uses the tremolo more for special effects only [mostly]. I have been trying to emulate him more of late. Plus it just makes you better manage the fretboard.

Good luck with the bun in the oven. I never ordered my Vader. Still might. Decided to focus on getting a few guitars sold first which will make the boss happy.

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Postby Doctor Turn » Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:49 am

Dude who does that "keep the whammy bar in hand to create that dreary sad hypnotic wobble in your notes" rather than bending manually is obviously Neil Young, and it doesn't hurt that he has one of the most iconic guitar and amp combos in the history of man. That hugely microphonic ancient Firebird in the bridge, the little weepy wobble from his constant palming of his Big (he bent the bar on a workbench to keep it flat to the body so it's easy for him to keep constantly in hand), and that uniquely responsive Deluxe Re (that he reupped with big bottle 6L6's instead of smaller stock 6V6).. it's one of those rigs that he just needs to touch the dang thing lightly and it sounds like tears from heaven. Some rigs are so good you have to work far less to produce eternal sounds, and Neil burned through many pieces of equipment and amazing guitars to come to that rig he uses now. He knew when he first started putting that guitar and amp together by the end of the 60's (he started tracking with it around Everyone Knows This Is Nowhere with DOWN BY THE RIVER & COWGIRL IN THE SAND) that he had something special, and he's really never used anything else, nor used any effects aside from a custom stomp box to push the amp through various gain stages. He's using a delay of some sort here..

All these years he just goes onstage with that little tiny combo and fills giant arenas by putting it through the PA.Never even uses cabinets to magnify the sound pre-PA.

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This is actually really nice--he pretty much never does rig rundowns nor allows anyone to fool with Old Black. He's got a highly trusted tech to handle that ancient guitar and fragile old amp for him and keep them both working properly. He doesn't actually have his rig with him,

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Postby helldorado » Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:01 am

So how long before somebody realizes ZZ Top created the headless Strat and not Jeff with the Delos? :laughhard:

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Postby spudmunkey » Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:13 am

Is...is that even playable? The bridge looks like a standard bridge, but the headstock doesn't appear to have any sort of mechanism for tuning. :think:


[edit: It turns out, no. They aren't. :lol:
“When luck is on your side things just seem to happen at appropriate times,” Gibbons continues. “Like the headless guitars we used in that video. The guy who does our guitars to this day, Mr John Bolin, told us we’d need something different for television. John had a lumberjack’s saw, so Dusty and I took our perfectly good instruments over to him and he cut the tops off them. Somehow, all of those elements seemed to end up making perfect sense.”

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They just cut off the headstocks with a saw, and held the strings on with a capo, for TV.

So...they "invented a headles strat" in the same way that i "invented" flying cars, when I used to get my car airborn as a high-schooler on Hog's Back Road, or "roof driving" when I rolled my pickup truck over, upside-down. :laughhard:

*note: not saying Jeff invented it either, just having fun with the situation ;)]

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Postby helldorado » Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:59 am

We call that a prototyping. :lol:

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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby spudmunkey » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:11 am

helldorado wrote:We call that a prototyping. :lol:


"So, here's the 'alpha' unit, or 'CVT' (concept validation testing). Next is E(ngineering)VT where we have functioning hardware, but it weighs 30lbs."

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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby wickid » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:12 am

spudmunkey wrote:Is...is that even playable? The bridge looks like a standard bridge, but the headstock doesn't appear to have any sort of mechanism for tuning. :think:


[edit: It turns out, no. They aren't. :lol:
“When luck is on your side things just seem to happen at appropriate times,” Gibbons continues. “Like the headless guitars we used in that video. The guy who does our guitars to this day, Mr John Bolin, told us we’d need something different for television. John had a lumberjack’s saw, so Dusty and I took our perfectly good instruments over to him and he cut the tops off them. Somehow, all of those elements seemed to end up making perfect sense.”

https://www.loudersound.com/features/se ... eliminator

They just cut off the headstocks with a saw, and held the strings on with a capo, for TV.

So...they "invented a headles strat" in the same way that i "invented" flying cars, when I used to get my car airborn as a high-schooler on Hog's Back Road, or "roof driving" when I rolled my pickup truck over, upside-down. :laughhard:

*note: not saying Jeff invented it either, just having fun with the situation ;)]


yeah, but can Jeff's Delos spin around on a belt buckle??? :lol: *pistol hands skyward to the left* :mrgreen:
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Postby Toptube » Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:29 pm

As much buzz as there has been about Kiesel over the past few months: I've also been seeing some guitars and basses, which I consider to be modern classics from Kiesel (in terms of the way they look with wood/finish choice, etc), up for sale.

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Postby helldorado » Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:14 pm

My guess is that a lot of the younger buyers driving sales are fanboy floaters. Whatever they've found now it's the coolest and best, then they find something else that catches their attention and latch onto that. I've seen a lot of people selling relatively new guitars to purchase something more expensive. It's like they played too many video games where they have to level up. :lol:

The conquest buyers seem to be talking a lot about Ibanez, ESP LTD and other mid tier brands so Kiesel is a step up and their first taste of anything customized. Then they seem to be looking for things more expensive and with longer delays because that seems "better" if not more exclusive.

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Re: Kiesel Random Thoughts (not worth their own thread)

Postby Sunset » Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:17 am

I think maybe some folks get caught up in the admittedly brilliant social media marketing and forget that a guitar, no matter how finely crafted or visually dazzling, is still just an instrument we use to express ourselves with music. I’m somewhat chronologically challenged and I can’t stand fb. I find it to be mostly a disgusting “lookit me, oh pleeeeaaase lookit me” mess of insecurity, obsequity, and short attention spans.

But even I feel the tug of envy and the fear of missing out when, on occasion, I tune into Kiesel fb to stay current on the evolving models and options.


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