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24 3/4 inch scale

Postby Big Frank » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:35 am

Am i hallucinating, or did jeff just announce a 24 3/4 scale option on the zeus and osiris?????

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Re: 24 3/4 inch scale

Postby spudmunkey » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:46 am

I haven't seen today's live video, but I see people asking about it around 4 minutes in, so if it was mentioned it was likely before that.

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Re: 24 3/4 inch scale

Postby Big Frank » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:51 am

he said just the zeus with 2 humbuckers...no mention of trem, though

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Re: 24 3/4 inch scale

Postby ilyti » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:29 pm

I was just on instagram and saw a doubleneck Osiris that they built for Frank Gambale. It had a 24.75 scale neck on the top ans 25.5 on the bottom. I went here to post about but you beat me to it! Just the zeus eh? Hmmm...

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Re: 24 3/4 inch scale

Postby toejam » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:45 pm

From Facebook about the doubleneck...

Jeff Kiesel: Top neck is 24.75” scale and bottom neck is 25.5” scale. Yes you can finally order a 24.75” scale guitar from us (Zeus headless fixed 6 string is the only model besides this double neck you can get a 24.75” scale on)

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Re: 24 3/4 inch scale

Postby delph » Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:42 pm

toejam wrote:From Facebook about the doubleneck...

Jeff Kiesel: Top neck is 24.75” scale and bottom neck is 25.5” scale. Yes you can finally order a 24.75” scale guitar from us (Zeus headless fixed 6 string is the only model besides this double neck you can get a 24.75” scale on)


I watched Jeff say this in the video. No single neck Osiris. Just double neck Osiris or Zeus ((I believe only 6 string for both).

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Re: 24 3/4 inch scale

Postby dbone » Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:44 pm

I don’t see any reason why that 24.75 wouldn’t extend to to Zeucoustic also.... just sayin
I wouldn’t mind having a Zeus electric in that scale certainly, then I could compare it to my DC150 and my explorer
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Re: 24 3/4 inch scale

Postby spudmunkey » Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:59 pm

Not gonna lie, but it would be devilishly hilarious if it were ONLY available on Zeus double-necks.

"You guys all asked for 24.75" scale length, and I gave it to you...and nobody bought it. We sold 2. Just shows there's no demand for 24.75" scale length."
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Re: 24 3/4 inch scale

Postby dbone » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:06 pm

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Postby Doctor Doug » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:31 pm

I'd love a CS in that scale.
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Re: 24 3/4 inch scale

Postby GuitFiddle » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:23 am

Doctor Doug wrote:I'd love a CS in that scale.


+ 1 million. But on a Zeus only? Really, then, what's the point of even saying its available? I haven't exactly heard the headless crowd clamoring for a short scale. We see this a LOT though...the endorsers drive the product, not the Kiesel-buying GP. Until it makes to other parts of the product line....meh.
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Postby Jack'O'Licious » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:14 am

I've never heard of a 24.75" scale before. What is the benefit of this? I thought 25.5 was the ideal scale unless downtuning in which you want a baritone.
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Re: 24 3/4 inch scale

Postby Doctor Turn » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:32 am

Jack'O'Licious wrote:I've never heard of a 24.75" scale before. What is the benefit of this? I thought 25.5 was the ideal scale unless downtuning in which you want a baritone.


Sg's, Les Pauls, ES335s, etc and a million other acoustics and electrics are in this scale length, which is sometimes called in shorthand Gibson Scale. Alternately, 25.5 was also called Fender Scale... before the advent of the superstrat and the expanding of the concept of Strats and Teles into such huge business that now probably overshadows Fender.

24.74 is slinkier, easier to bend on, ruder spongier attack, but shorter spacing between frets. All those classic Zep, Cream, so much of Beatles etc are in 24.75. 25.5 is tighter, more difficult to bend, but has wider fret spacing for large hands and has that bloomy attack distinct to all Strats and Teles that make them so distinct.

Those classic era Carvin guitars from the eighties were all Gibson scale, Becker's 200's, Friedman's V220, etc etc, all the 150, CM 140, etc. It was only later they went to "compromise scale" 25".
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Re: 24 3/4 inch scale

Postby spudmunkey » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:39 am

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Doctor Doug wrote:I'd love a CS in that scale.


+ 1 million. But on a Zeus only? Really, then, what's the point of even saying its available?


It wasn't announced like a new factory option, for what it's worth. He was talking about what he did for Frank, and then as a passing comment said, "We also have it programmed for the Zeus 6-string, so...if you wanted it...we could do it."

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Re: 24 3/4 inch scale

Postby spudmunkey » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:42 am

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Jack'O'Licious wrote:I've never heard of a 24.75" scale before. What is the benefit of this? I thought 25.5 was the ideal scale unless downtuning in which you want a baritone.


Sg's, Les Pauls, ES335s, etc and a million other acoustics and electrics are in this scale length, which is sometimes called in shorthand Gibson Scale. Alternately, 25.5 was also called Fender Scale... before the advent of the superstrat and the expanding of the concept of Strats and Teles into such huge business that now probably overshadows Fender.

24.74 is slinkier, easier to bend on, ruder spongier attack, but shorter spacing between frets. All those classic Zep, Cream, so much of Beatles etc are in 24.75. 25.5 is tighter, more difficult to bend, but has wider fret spacing for large hands and has that bloomy attack distinct to all Strats and Teles that make them so distinct.

Those classic era Carvin guitars from the eighties were all Gibson scale, Becker's 200's, Friedman's V220, etc etc, all the 150, CM 140, etc. It was only later they went to "compromise scale" 25".



It also brings the nut closer to the the player. If you've got shorter arms, 25.5" might feel like 26.5" to someone else who's used to 25.5".

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Re: 24 3/4 inch scale

Postby amon » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:36 am

Doctor Doug wrote:I'd love a CS in that scale.

Once again. If you had two CS models that were identical but for the scale length — one 25", the other 24.75" — and you could tell the difference between them, then you need to get a job as a water diviner. Or maybe an earthquake forecaster. You will definitely get bruised by a pea under your mattress.

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Re: 24 3/4 inch scale

Postby amon » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:40 am

Doctor Turn wrote:Those classic era Carvin guitars from the eighties were all Gibson scale, Becker's 200's, Friedman's V220, etc etc, all the 150, CM 140, etc. It was only later they went to "compromise scale" 25".

I'm sure you're aware that the true Gibson scale is 24.5625" (making the 25" PRS scale almost exactly up the middle), not 24.75".

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Re: 24 3/4 inch scale

Postby Doctor Doug » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:59 am

amon wrote:
Doctor Doug wrote:I'd love a CS in that scale.

Once again. If you had two CS models that were identical but for the scale length — one 25", the other 24.75" — and you could tell the difference between them, then you need to get a job as a water diviner. Or maybe an earthquake forecaster. You will definitely get bruised by a pea under your mattress.


It's not a huge difference. Interms of sound or bending I can't really feel the difference in scale length between my Gibsons and my CS's. (Hell, I bought 2 CS's at 25").

Where I can tell is the spacing on the first 5 or so frets. Again, not a huge difference but I'd like one in 24.75 still.
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Re: 24 3/4 inch scale

Postby Doctor Turn » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:40 am

amon wrote:
Doctor Doug wrote:I'd love a CS in that scale.

Once again. If you had two CS models that were identical but for the scale length — one 25", the other 24.75" — and you could tell the difference between them, then you need to get a job as a water diviner. Or maybe an earthquake forecaster. You will definitely get bruised by a pea under your mattress.


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Re: 24 3/4 inch scale

Postby ilyti » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:58 pm

Your intonation can tell the difference even if your hands cant. And it tends to be in favour of 25.


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